Thanks for that @Sophia1 - that is very helpful for many people - I know about @greenpea but there are many people who read these forums without registering - it is easy to see how many threads are accessed

It would have helped me in the past but that time was a long time ago - this time 32 years ago my son was in Juvenile Detention and died there that July - my first thought was that it was all over but of course it was not - but his troubled life was and he is at peace

When I first joined a Tough Love Group we were warned that some of these troubled and addicted young people die and we had been members for 7 months when our son did - and until the end of my own life I will be grateful for the information and support and indeed love we received from parents like ourselves who were struggling with a person we loved so much at odds with the world he had to leave early

But thanks for giving me the chance to say this - it's the main reason I joined Sane Forums over 2 years now - each winter I run into a bad time - and it lasts until it runs out - 

There are many people with similar stories - I pray there can be a solution a little less painful - if only

Dec